STILL Waiting for the $50

[Admin]

Here are the latest exchanges over the MCDC failure to return the $50 application fee:

----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda
To: Name Withheld
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived

Just following up. Please let me know if you don't receive the 'refund' check.
Brenda Chiles

----- Original Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: brenda@minutemanhq.com
Cc: Director@Nebraskaminuteman.com ; peter@minutemanhq.com ; john@minutemanhq.com ; tootough@quik.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived


Brenda,
 
Thank you for your response, again.
 
As of Sunday, August 5th, I have not received my money or any notice of any attempt to deliver it. If the original date of July 20th was the date sent, it has been over 2 weeks. If July 24th, then today makes it 2 weeks. In either case, it should have only been 3 days.
 
If it was in fact sent "registered" there should be a way for the USPS to track it based on the number. I personally believe that it was never sent. If it was I'd expect you would have provided me with the USPS article number so we both could try to find out what happened.
 
The simple solution would be to simply Paypal the $50.00 to my email address. It will cost me about $1.75 to do this (Paypal fee) but will save us both a lot of time. There would be no cost on your end and it would put this issue behind us, however I'd expect you to be willing to pay the fee for a couple reasons: 1) wasting my time responding to emails about a subject that should have been taken care of over a month ago by the local leadership and 2) I should not be forced to pay anything to get MY money back that MCDC has absolutely NO legal right to keep.
 
It should be no problem to do this if you truly want this issue resolved.
 
I expect the money to be in my Paypal account within 24 hours. I'm through being jerked around. Failure to have my money (not a "check") in my possession within 24 hours will force me to take the first step of many by filing a mail fraud complaint with the Omaha area Postal Inspector's office naming you, Chris Simcox, Gary DeLancey, and Mike Narducci as direct, knowing, and willing participants in the crime.
 
What does it take for you to take me seriously?? Will official notification of a federal criminal complaint be enough to get your attention? Is MCDC that desperate for money as to waste this much time over $50.00 it has no legal right to keep?? Is your time worth nothing because you are a volunteer? What will it cost in time and legal fees to simply answer an investigational inquiry from the Postal Inspector's office?
 
This will only be my first step.
 
You and MCDC have already made it abundantly clear to me that you think my time is worth nothing. $50.00 pays for an infinite amount of time at that rate. That being the case then I will have no problem spending large amounts of my worthless time to cost you and others at MCDC large amounts of your time as well as legal fees.
 
Sincerely,
Name Withheld

----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda
To: Name Withheld
Cc: Maureen Otis ; tootough@quik.com ; carmenmerc@minutemanhq.com ; al@minutemanhq.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived

Again I will see if I can find out what has happen.
Please give me today to contact our accounting firm concern is Refund Check.
Chris, Al and Carmen, all want this to happen, so I will follow up and get back to you Tuesday Aug. 7th, 2007.
 
Thank you,
Brenda Chiles
National Membership Director

From: Name Withheld
To: Brenda
Cc: Maureen Otis ; tootough@quik.com ; carmenmerc@minutemanhq.com ; al@minutemanhq.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived

Brenda,
 
If they wanted it to happen it would.
 
Paypal.
 
22 hours left.
 
Cancel the check and stop screwing around.
 
I don't care if it has to come from a personal account and then they get reimbursed.

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK 

[mel_living]

From: Chris Simcox
To: 'xxxxx'
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived


xxxxx,
The check was sent overnight by UPS next day tomorrow, we had the original letter sent to you certified mail ,it was returned to us today because of a POST OFFICE mistake, I personally put it in next day UPS delivery, tracking number 1ZR3156W0113533301 it will be delivered to you before your 22 hour threat is up. What a joke. Now you can go back to hanging with your other prick friends, you are a joke and we are relieved that you did not make the cut to be a volunteer with MCDC, it's jerks like you who give the entire movement a bad name. Good riddance!
Chris Simcox

Chris,
I received the check today. (see attached image) The check better clear.

I hope you are successful in your efforts to try to awaken America to the threats we face. I also hope you will humble yourself and realize that there are many others in this cause, and others, that would work with you if you can show that you can follow as well as lead.

You said it was a a POST OFFICE mistake but as you can see in the scanned image there was no postage paid. Is that their mistake? The check memo says "Refund for duplicate payment" but that is not accurate either. It is a refund of my ONLY payment.

Your attitude in your response to this issue (below) is a perfect reason why I CHOSE not to join MCDC. You say I "did not make the cut" when the FACTS are that your local people dropped the ball, didn't communicate, and it took a month and a half for me to hear from anybody. I let the local chapter director know I changed my mind and two weeks later Brenda emailed me looking for missing info on my application. Anybody that knows me knows I am a pitbull when I decide to go after an issue and can be a great ally or your worst nightmare. I've been fighting for liberty since long before you ever came on the scene.

Have you ever made Sarah Brady go speechless with a single question at one of her press conferences and caused them to shut it down? Can you say that you are personally responsible for killing a proposed semi-auto ban or other legislation in your state? Nebraska has not had one single piece of anti-gun legislation proposed since I educated our legislature. Over 12 years ago! Have you personally been responsible for preserving the liberty of others?

You say "jerks" like me give the entire movement a bad name yet you can't admit the fact that you have done more to damage the credibility of the movement by your actions than any ten other people involved in it. One example is using Ramos and Campean for fundraising without the families' permission. Did they get any financial aid from MCDC's proceeds?

You say I'm a joke yet you obviously don't truly think so or you would not have gone to the trouble to meet the deadline.

As for my "prick friends" as you call them, do you believe you are clairvoyant? You don't know my friends, have no idea whom I go "hanging with," and probably would quickly be seen for what you are if you showed up. My friends recognize honest people.

I will continue to work with anybody willing to work with me to do what I can to secure this nation and preserve the liberties of ALL Americans. Yes, even you after your insulting tirade. You have a right to your opinion no matter how wrong you may be.

Again, I wish you well in your efforts to secure our borders. Keep in mind that there are many others just as dedicated, or more so, that are involved and a concerted effort always works much better than a splintered one.

Sincerely,
xxxxx xxxx

[mel_living]

Is it just me, or does Simcox sound a bit pissed off?

[OldGuy]

Is it just me, or does Simcox sound a bit pissed off?

You know just a little honesty on his part and none of us would be here.
Actions and inaction's do have consequences.

[mel_living]

Chris Simcox,

The gentleman you wrote this e-mail to traveled to Arizona and visited with quit a few Patriots, including my husband and I, along with many of our friends. Are you referring to us and the other Arizona volunteers when you write, "your other prick friends"? I say Arizona because EK visited with folks here in Arizona.

I see that you are having a hard time this past year or so getting along with others, perhaps you need a break. Perhaps you need to focus on your personal life and get it together before you continue to attack border volunteers.

If you recall all the way back to 2002 residents in Cochise County called you and worked with you to further the movement. No one ever agreed to work for you on the border, we all worked equally together for the same cause, and it was NEVER a cause for you to "get rich quick." Our time and resources were not spent to puff YOU up; we did so for our country and the future of our children and grandchildren.

Please clarify your attitude and agenda in this movement, NOW!

I will be happy to send your response on to The Washington Times and media contacts I have stayed in touch with over the years.

I will meet with the PBA in Palominas on 8-17 and will be happy to hand carry any message you wish to give these dedicated volunteers and the press that will be present for the weekend.

idratherbepainting (you know my e-mail address) BTW, Chris-Enough is Enough

Mr. and Mrs. irbp

If a reply is made, I will post it here.

[1GKEK]

Is it just me, or does Simcox sound a bit pissed off?

He sounds absolutely, stark-raving mad.

He's actually lost his mind, hasn't he?

[mel_living]

Is it just me, or does Simcox sound a bit pissed off?

He sounds absolutely, stark-raving mad.

He's actually lost his mind, hasn't he?

I think he's almost there.  A few more resignations and a few more refund requests, and he just might blow.  This man is a time bomb.  His therapy sessions must not have had a long term effect.  Looks like he needs a booster.   

[Admin]

I actually gasped when I read Mr. Simcox's reply. Not only is it UTTERLY unprofessional, it is outrageous in its accusations. I am speechless.

The more the man speaks, the deeper the hole into which he digs himself. Shame on you, Mr. Simcox.

To this patriot who has been so maligned:

Thank you for what you do on behalf of all of us. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. And thank you for your evenhanded and businesslike reply when it would have been so easy to respond in kind. You are a gracious person.

[Dirty Harry]

I have but one reaction to Simcox's response:

 

[NightHawk]

I have never met nor had any conversations with Mr. Simcox so I have very little context in which to place his grossly unprofessional comments.  I will say that I believe his comments, e-mails, etc. will come back to haunt him in the future.  I cannot believe that a "socalled" leader of an organization would choose to correspond via the internet knowing how public his remarks will become.  He truly has given the MCDC a very black eye.  I for one am very sad to see this happen as I believe our fight against illegal immigration needs everyone pulling together toward a similar goal.  That being said, I am  unhappy and disgusted with the leadership or should I say lack of leadership with the MCDC. 

[1GKEK]

I just send this email to Chris:

Chris,
 
I've been mulling over my future with the MCDC for quite some time now. I've tried to keep an open mind and to consider all angles. But then I saw this:
 
 
From: Chris Simcox
To: 'xxxxx'
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived


xxxxx,
The check was sent overnight by UPS next day tomorrow, we had the original letter sent to you certified mail ,it was returned to us today because of a POST OFFICE mistake, I personally put it in next day UPS delivery, tracking number 1ZR3156W0113533301 it will be delivered to you before your 22 hour threat is up. What a joke. Now you can go back to hanging with your other prick friends, you are a joke and we are relieved that you did not make the cut to be a volunteer with MCDC, it's jerks like you who give the entire movement a bad name. Good riddance!
Chris Simcox  

Are you kidding, Chris? Jerks like him? You fired your best leaders, got sued by your biggest doner, and go out of your way to piss down this guy's back for no good reason.
 
I quit. I resign my membership status with the MCDC effective immediately. Remove me from your list of volunteers and remove my contact information from any such list MCDC or the Declaration Alliance maintains. On your roles I'm listed as xxxxxxxx
 
There's just no way I can publicly support you and your corporation. Take a tip from the Patriots' Border Alliance and try to build an organization that the members can believe in. Set up a leadership system the members can trust. Set up a system of accountability to your members and you've got a chance.
 
In closing, Chris. I wish you well personally. I worry that you're a troubled guy. If that's so, I hope you get whatever help you need to get through it.
 

I kept my membership hoping he would see the light and change would happen. Clearly, that hope has been extinguished.

[Admin]

I kept my membership hoping he would see the light and change would happen. Clearly, that hope has been extinguished.

I can't wait to see the response you get.

[1GKEK]

I can't wait to see the response you get.

It's either going to be pathetic and sad or it will be comical.

Either way, what's done is done.

[idocument]

Since Chris Simcox      has not answered and still attacks patriots, I suggest folks start dumping this info on the National Press. I was speaking with a neighbor today and he said he and his wife were sending donations monthly to Simcox at a Texas address. He said lots of people received the mail outs and Simcox provides the envelope's for monthly donations. The man and his wife will e-mail me and I will send them this PBA link. The couple is out of the loop of information. I am sure they will share this new email from Simcox with their friends.

Please post his answer if anyone should get one.

I was shocked once again when I read the following message from    Simcox,

"----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Simcox
To: 'xxxxx'
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Registered (certified?) letter never arrived


xxxxx,
The check was sent overnight by UPS next day tomorrow, we had the original letter sent to you certified mail ,it was returned to us today because of a POST OFFICE mistake, I personally put it in next day UPS delivery, tracking number 1ZR3156W0113533301 it will be delivered to you before your 22 hour threat is up. What a joke. Now you can go back to hanging with your other prick friends, you are a joke and we are relieved that you did not make the cut to be a volunteer with MCDC, it's jerks like you who give the entire movement a bad name. Good riddance!
Chris Simcox "

Chris Simcox,

The gentleman you wrote this e-mail to traveled to Arizona and visited with quit a few Patriots, including my husband and I, along with many of our friends. Are you referring to us and the other Arizona volunteers when you write, "your other prick friends"? I say Arizona because EK visited with folks here in Arizona.

I see that you are having a hard time this past year or so getting along with others, perhaps you need a break. Perhaps you need to focus on your personal life and get it together before you continue to attack border volunteers.

If you recall all the way back to 2002 residents in Cochise County called you and worked with you to further the movement. No one ever agreed to work for you on the border, we all worked equally together for the same cause, and it was NEVER a cause for you to "get rich quick." Our time and resources were not spent to puff YOU up; we did so for our country and the future of our children and grandchildren.

Please clarify your attitude and agenda in this movement, NOW!

I will be happy to send your response on to The Washington Times and media contacts I have stayed in touch with over the years.

I will meet with the PBA in Palominas on 8-17 and will be happy to hand carry any message you wish to give these dedicated volunteers and the press that will be present for the weekend.

idratherbepainting (you know my e-mail address) BTW, Chris-Enough is Enough

Mr. and Mrs. irbp

If a reply is made, I will post it here.

[1GKEK]

The Reply.

No problem Ryan, we'll take you off the data base. Thanks for your previous service and good luck to you as well.
 
Now to respond to your missive.
Actually, this guy XXXXXXX -who ever he is has been pissing all over my back and the organization's back for some time -as usual you judge with having only one side of the story.
This guy has been hounding our organization, standing outside our meetings loudly criticizing our organization in public, rudely interrupting meetings and basically made an *bleep* of himself.
So don't tell me about pissing down his back -I have been taking this grief from a small number of people for some time -we had one of our best national directors, a sweet little old lady who manages our membership dealing with this out of control idiot -talking about troubled -just read the email exchanges below to get some insight into the mind of a troubled individual.
I won't take that treatment forever and I gave him a piece of my mind -if that offends you then get some therapy -or quit like you have done.
 
As for the PBA, they are made up of people who tried to run this organization into the ground -they deserve each other and by the way everything they have created is copied from the MCDC model. Our organization is much stronger without them.
MCDC has a strong leadership system that 8,000 + volunteers, 36 state directors and 92 chapter directors trust and believe in.
I've never met you and you don't know me, but I do know something about you now and your judgmental attitude based on the premise that I or anyone is guilty of anything until proven innocent says a lot about your character -that is troubling.
 
I worry that your a gullible person -I hope the truth and your integrity as a man allows you to apologize when you realize you are wrong about me and the MCDC.
I won't lose any sleep waiting for your letter of apology.
Chris Simcox
 

As you can see, we made an exception for Mr. Kubr after learning from the Nebraska MCDC that he was an unstable troublemaker and was not going to pass muster as a volunteer.

We don't give refunds and I authorized one even before I learned he was a raving lunatic.

Now you have the entire story instead of the one little piece you got from the PBA which was intended to create a bias -it worked on you and most likely on other of the weak minded of the PBA ilk.

Now you know why I got involved - the guy is a prick -just like I stated.

He included after this email what appeared to be the entire email thread between MCDC and the guy requesting the refund. I scanned it and didn't see anything new, so I left it out here.

Here's my reply.

Chris,

It doesn't matter why you did what you did. It was pointless and unnecessary! That reply can ONLY make YOU look bad! There's no other way to spin it, man. It doesn't matter how bat *bleep* crazy your intended target may or may not be. That was a battle you could only lose. There was NOTHING to be gained with that response.

Damn it Chris, leaders RISE ABOVE the petty *bleep*!

I've met you once, briefly in New Mexico, Chris. I really don't wish you any ill will. I really do want every man to find the strength, courage, and wisdom to succeed. As I've lost confidence in your leadership and don't see how the organization could possibly change in it's current form, I will move on.

Respectfully, and with a certain measure of sadness,

Name and hometown withheld

In the end, it isn't really that funny. It's disappointing and a little sad. I'll leave the point by point dissection of his reply to the pros here. I'm going to bed.